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Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
 
Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by broadgage at 06:39, 10th December 2024
 
Sunday is also in the working week for power company fault finding and repair teams. Some of whom actually ENJOY storms, and the consequent overtime.
I know of one who intends to buy a house "a couple more decent storms should pay the deposit"

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by a-driver at 12:33, 9th December 2024
 
A remarkable recovery - it's fortunate that roofers have Sundays in the working week! 

Maybe not so much in the working week, more ££££ in their pocket!

Anything can be fixed when the offer is right.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:53, 9th December 2024
 
Looks like someone (THANK YOU) has been working very hard fixing / checking overnight and both Chippenham and Westbury are re-opened this morning ... breaking news ...

We are going to agree to disagree about the reasonableness of having three old stations all fail in the exceptional wind.   And rather like boxing day trains, we will generate a lot of heat in discussion but in the end it's just an occasional incident ... in my view what is much more important is the safety of people at these time and secondly the ongoing "lack of crew" and "your line needed for engineering works [elsewhere]" that we're back to at my home station tomorrow!

A remarkable recovery - it's fortunate that roofers have Sundays in the working week! 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 05:59, 9th December 2024
 
Looks like someone (THANK YOU) has been working very hard fixing / checking overnight and both Chippenham and Westbury are re-opened this morning ... breaking news ...

We are going to agree to disagree about the reasonableness of having three old stations all fail in the exceptional wind.   And rather like boxing day trains, we will generate a lot of heat in discussion but in the end it's just an occasional incident ... in my view what is much more important is the safety of people at these time and secondly the ongoing "lack of crew" and "your line needed for engineering works [elsewhere]" that we're back to at my home station tomorrow!

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by GBM at 05:29, 9th December 2024
 
Bus and coach companies everywhere are struggling to find and keep drivers as it is.
There's been a steady drip of drivers leaving First Kernow and moving across to Transport for Cornwall services and operators.
First have just enough vehicles to cover school/college duties and service runs.
However, with an elderly fleet, breakdowns are also increasing, so service runs are cut to keep education services going!
No spare coaches/drivers this end of the world!

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Timmer at 21:20, 8th December 2024
 
Fair question, Timmer.

How about a fleet of coaches being provided, as road replacement transport?

After all, they've had 24 hours to get it organised.  
As you asked so nicely…
VERY limited road transport is operating between Bristol Temple Meads and Salisbury, via stations on route.

What that looks like is anybody’s guess but I highly doubt it’s going to be a usable replacement for commuter train services.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by ChrisB at 21:20, 8th December 2024
 
Fair question, Timmer.

How about a fleet of coaches being provided, as road replacement transport?

After all, they've had 24 hours to get it organised.  

And where do you suppose they find a fleet of coaches on a school day, at school time?

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by AMLAG at 21:05, 8th December 2024
 

On the face of it, it’s rather surprising that an emergency hourly TT for the many hundreds of commuters etc to Bath and Bristol has not been planned to run between Trowbridge and Bristol TM and VV serving all stations, with trains running empty between Trowbridge and Westbury North to cross over.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:29, 8th December 2024
 
Fair question, Timmer.

How about a fleet of coaches being provided, as road replacement transport?

After all, they've had 24 hours to get it organised.  

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 20:26, 8th December 2024
 
Update from GWR at 19.35
  Westbury station has been closed as a safety precaution, and trains are unable to call there. The ticket office is closed.

This will not be fixed until Tuesday 10th December at the earliest, therefore no trains will operate to or from Westbury on Monday 9th December 2024.
The question is where does this leave commuters from the likes of Warminster, Frome, Trowbridge, Melksham and Bradford on Avon to Swindon, Bath and Bristol?

It leaves them working from home, or loosing a day's pay, or catching the bus, driving or getting a lift. Sad thing is that if that works well for them, they'll do it more often or perhaps always.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Timmer at 20:21, 8th December 2024
 
Update from GWR at 19.35
  Westbury station has been closed as a safety precaution, and trains are unable to call there. The ticket office is closed.

This will not be fixed until Tuesday 10th December at the earliest, therefore no trains will operate to or from Westbury on Monday 9th December 2024.
The question is where does this leave commuters from the likes of Warminster, Frome, Trowbridge, Melksham and Bradford on Avon to Swindon, Bath and Bristol?

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by bradshaw at 19:58, 8th December 2024
 
Update from GWR at 19.35
  Westbury station has been closed as a safety precaution, and trains are unable to call there. The ticket office is closed.

This will not be fixed until Tuesday 10th December at the earliest, therefore no trains will operate to or from Westbury on Monday 9th December 2024.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Timmer at 19:27, 8th December 2024
 
For anyone who relies on the train to get to work, west of Swindon it’s looking pretty grim tomorrow.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by ChrisB at 19:25, 8th December 2024
 
From Thomas Lydon @ GWR

Storm Darragh continues to have a considerable impact on services across our network. Trains are unable to run on several parts of the network and currently services remain suspended west of Cardiff Central, between Oxford and Hereford, on the Barnstaple and Okehampton lines, and on all branch lines in Cornwall.
 
Network Rail teams are working as we speak to get lines safely reopened as quickly as possible, including removing fallen trees and other debris, however some disruption is expected tomorrow morning (Mon 9 Dec), particularly between Carmarthen and Swansea, and on our Cornish branch lines.
 
Storm damage has also closed Westbury and Chippenham stations and this will remain the case tomorrow (Mon 9 Dec). Trains are operating between Cardiff Central and Bristol Temple Meads, and between Salisbury and Portsmouth Harbour. Limited connecting rail replacement bus services are in operation, including between Bath Spa/Swindon and Chippenham. The Night Riviera Sleeper service has been cancelled this evening, Sun 8 Dec.
 
The very latest travel information including on refunds and ticket acceptance is available at www.gwr.com/check or also from our social media sites at www.x.com/gwrhelp and www.x.com/networkrailwest. 
 
We apologise for the ongoing disruption, and as ever if there’s anything we can do to help please don’t hesitate to get in touch.
 
Best wishes
 
Tom & Tomos

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 09:45, 8th December 2024
 
Cancellations to services at Chippenham

Due to severe weather at Chippenham the line is blocked.

Train services running through this station will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice

Following damage from Storm Darragh, Chippenham Station has been declared not safe to operate. Therefore the station is closed, and trains are not calling there.

Customers requiring Chippenham are advised to travel to Swindon, where road transport will be available. If travelling from Bristol Temple Meads or Bath Spa, please board a London Paddington bound service and change at Swindon. For customers travelling from London Paddington or Reading, please alight at Swindon for transport. Please also be advised that due to availability, there may be a waiting time of up to 30 minutes at Swindon for road transport.

For customers arriving at Chippenham, LIMITED road transport is in operation for customers making local journeys towards Bath Spa, Swindon, Melksham, and Westbury.

Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
If you require further information please speak to our staff at the station or on the train, use the Customer Help Point, tweet us @GWRHelp or call National Rail Enquiries on 03457 484 950.

If you arrive at your destination 15 or more minutes late because your GWR train was delayed or cancelled, you can claim Delay Repay compensation. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay
Last Updated:08/12/2024 08:31

08:30 Semifast Exeter to Paddington is running to time; just skipped Westbury noted "UWA" (Up Westbury Avoider) and now running early. Expect it to wait for the clock at Pewsey.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by GBM at 09:23, 8th December 2024
 
RTT showing service Bristol to Weymouth via Westbury, starting with a VST lusted departure at 09.29. It was activated at 03.55

lusted
Too old and too cold!

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by froome at 08:59, 8th December 2024
 
RTT showing service Bristol to Weymouth via Westbury, starting with a VST lusted departure at 09.29. It was activated at 03.55

Then there is the 17.53 and 20.11 from Weymouth and the 17.48 and 2049 from Bristol, all WTT services

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:36498/2024-12-08/detailed

Even in this wind, people do really want to get to Weymouth. 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by bradshaw at 08:44, 8th December 2024
 
RTT showing service Bristol to Weymouth via Westbury, starting with a VST lusted departure at 09.29. It was activated at 03.55

Then there is the 17.53 and 20.11 from Weymouth and the 17.48 and 2049 from Bristol, all WTT services

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:36498/2024-12-08/detailed

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by GBM at 08:37, 8th December 2024
 
5Z99 0825 Penzance to Plymouth.
Empty Coaching Stock
A test train perhaps.

6J84 0800 St Germans to Tavistock Jn (Civil Engineer) earlier ran down to Liskeard, reversed, and travelled to Tavistock Junction ok, so that section of line seems to be good for running.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by GBM at 07:47, 8th December 2024
 
There was a tree blocking both lines at Bodmin Parkway yesterday evening.
On journeycheck now
Customer Advice
The Cornish Main Line is now blocked at Bodmin Parkway due to a large tree on both lines.

Passengers are advised NOT TO TRAVEL.
Last Updated:08/12/2024 06:11

Opentraintimes confirmed this yesterday with TREE BLOK on both lines.

However, Opentraintime is NOT now showing a block at Bodmin, so guessing the tree was been removed overnight, but journeycheck not reflecting this.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by JayMac at 19:43, 7th December 2024
 
If anyone is really needing to travel between Devon and Cornwall the Tamar bridge is open - a pal has just been across it en route to watch Plymouth Albion this afternoon, their fixture having somehow survived the weather.

I think your pal might have been mistaken - the Plymouth v Oxford game was called off yesterday lunchtime. I spent some time in Chieveley services with them as their coach was in the process of returning to Oxford.


 TG was talking about Plymouth Albion RFC. Not Plymouth Argyle FC.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by ChrisB at 19:08, 7th December 2024
 
If anyone is really needing to travel between Devon and Cornwall the Tamar bridge is open - a pal has just been across it en route to watch Plymouth Albion this afternoon, their fixture having somehow survived the weather.

I think your pal might have been mistaken - the Plymouth v Oxford game was called off yesterday lunchtime. I spent some time in Chieveley services with them as their coach was in the process of returning to Oxford.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by eXPassenger at 17:11, 7th December 2024
 
Very surprised to hear an unattended phone talking in another room.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Electric train at 14:25, 7th December 2024
 
Just read on another Forum that Chippenham footbridge has collapsed, blocking all lines.

Not the bridge its part of the canopy over the platform at Chippenham train station has sustained damage in the storm.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 13:37, 7th December 2024
 
A post from Bluesky: four photos from Westbury showing the damage to the station roof.

Mark

https://bsky.app/profile/disgruntledguard.bsky.social/post/3lcponjfgbc26

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by GBM at 11:40, 7th December 2024
 
1Z09 1025 Reading to Bristol Temple Meads being held/caustioned outside Chippenham at signal 1281 (running 33 minutes down), with service 1C10 1030 London Paddington to Exeter St Davids held behind it (8 down).

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:05, 7th December 2024
 
Just read on another Forum that Chippenham footbridge has collapsed, blocking all lines.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 10:58, 7th December 2024
 
And to add to my previous car comment.

Both bridges shut and trees down on the A48. So how could the Welsh staff book on this morning?

And also the threats, don't book on equals a loss of pay for the day.

And higher management wonder why morale is low and staff aren't willing to help the company?

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:22, 7th December 2024
 
If anyone is really needing to travel between Devon and Cornwall the Tamar bridge is open - a pal has just been across it en route to watch Plymouth Albion this afternoon, their fixture having somehow survived the weather.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 10:16, 7th December 2024
 
GWR
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Penzance
Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Cancellations to services between St Erth and St Ives
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton
Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Taunton
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Reading
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Weymouth via Yeovil Pen Mill
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Portsmouth Harbour via Salisbury
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Bristol Temple Meads
Cancellations to services between Cardiff Central and Carmarthen
Cancellations to services between Hereford and Worcester Foregate Street
Cancellations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames

SWR
Cancellations to services on all routes
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Salisbury
Cancellations to services between Romsey and Salisbury
Alterations to services between Yeovil Junction and Salisbury
Delays to services between Eastleigh and Fareham
Delays to services between Mortlake and Barnes
Cancellations to services between Exeter Central and Honiton
Cancellations to services between Southampton Central and Brockenhurst
Alterations to services between Surbiton and Effingham Junction
Cancellations to services between Havant and Petersfield

TfW
13 railway lines have been fully suspended, and two other lines are being severely disrupted.

The lines currently suspended are

Llandudno – Blaenau Ffestiniog
Carmarthen – Pembroke Dock / Milford Haven / Fishguard Harbour
Chester – Liverpool Lime Street
Cardiff Central – Panrth / Bridgend via Barry
Cardiff Central – Bridgend / Maesteg / Swansea
Shrewsbury – Llanwrtyd
Machynlleth – Aberystwyth / Pwllheli
Pontypridd – Aberdare / Merthyr Tyfil / Treherbert
Rayr – Coryton
Cardiff Central – Rhymney
Chester – Holyhead
Shrewsbury – Chester / Birmingham International
Cardiff Bay – Cardiff Queen Street
The line between Cardiff Central / Crewe / Manchester Piccadilly and Shrewsbury is running but is expected to be severely delayed all day.

Cross Country
Cancellations to services between Cardiff Central and Nottingham
Cancellations to services between Manchester Piccadilly and Bournemouth
Cancellations to services between Birmingham New Street and Penzance


Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by JayMac at 09:50, 7th December 2024
 
A wild wild morning here in Taunton. We have a tree down near Mum's flat. It's blocked the cul-de-sac we're on so no one is getting out by car today.

A day for staying indoors I think. I certainly won't be out filming with the drone!

Stay safe folks.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Timmer at 09:29, 7th December 2024
 
Roof has just come off at Westbury station.

From Journeycheck:


The station roof at Westbury has incurred significant damage from Storm Darragh, and is not safe to keep Westbury station open; therefore WESTBURY STATION IS CLOSED!

No trains will call in and out of Westbury until further notice. We are looking at various alternatives, but we do not expect to be able to source enough road transport to meet the demand, therefore customers are encouraged to delay their plans for today.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 09:14, 7th December 2024
 
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Penzance
Cancellations to services between Cardiff Central and Carmarthen
Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Cancellations to services between St Erth and St Ives
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton
Cancellations to services between Hereford and Worcester Foregate Street
Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Cancellations to services between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Taunton
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Reading
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Swindon via Melksham
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Weymouth via Yeovil Pen Mill
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Portsmouth Harbour via Salisbury
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Bristol Temple Meads
Cancellations to services between Salisbury and Warminster

386 services shown on our map as cancelled, 90 running short and 8 delayed.  It's on days like this that our system gets a real test of its robustness in conveying information.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:13, 7th December 2024
 
Hopefully no-one injured........


Due to a tree blocking the railway between Twyford and Henley-On-Thames all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
Due to Storm Darragh GWR a train has hit a tree at Shiplake and is unable to move.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 07:49, 7th December 2024
 
As of 07:00, JourneyCheck had 10 'Line updates' and no less than 347 'Train cancellations'.

The map is very red.

Interesting comment I picked up elsewhere ...
As usual the weather is to blame, rather then the failure of NR to cut the trees down.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 07:04, 7th December 2024
 
As of 07:00, JourneyCheck had 10 'Line updates' and no less than 347 'Train cancellations'.

The map is very red.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by JayMac at 23:26, 6th December 2024
 
First experience of a government alert via mobile phone this evening.

Scared the bejeebus out of me while I was driving home from shopping.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 20:34, 6th December 2024
 
Amber and red warnings. The train service should be suspended altogether.

It’s not worth the risk of damage to trains & infrastructure and more importantly having stranded passengers.

It won't be. Lessons were learnt after Beast of the East. And forgotten in time for Storm Eunice.

The number of stranded staff for both of those weather incidents was considerable.

And how do the staff get in? How many car insurance companies will pay up if there's a car tree interface problem? When a red weather warning recommends do not travel, you don't travel.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:15, 6th December 2024
 
Latest from GWR:

https://www.gwr.com/sunday-disruption

Travel advice following the recently issued storm weather warning and special events taking place across the GWR network:

Following red and amber weather warnings in relation to Storm Darragh on parts of our network, we are advising customers to change their plans if possible this weekend.

Although we expect to still be able to run train services, strong winds mean speed restrictions will be in place across the network, increasing journey times. Fallen trees and other debris may also impact services.

Customers with tickets for travel on GWR services on Saturday 7 and Sunday 8 December can be used on Monday 9 December.

If you no longer wish to travel this weekend you can claim a full refund at GWR.com/help-and-support/refunds

Please note Bath Christmas Market has been cancelled on Saturday.

For the latest journey information visit GWR.com/check.

On Sunday only, crew availability means a significantly reduced, amended timetable will be in place on long-distance services. Online journey planners are currently not correct and will be updated.

Please check your journey on Sunday morning for the latest information.

So no services or routes cancelled, just an advisory to change travel plans.

......which is pretty much the advice GWR give every weekend these days.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:53, 6th December 2024
 
From the BBC:

Millions sent government alert as Storm Darragh approaches

Around three million people in parts of Wales and south-west England have been sent an emergency alert from the government as Storm Darragh approaches the UK.

It is the largest use of the warning system yet and has been sent to the mobile phones of people in areas covered by the Met Office red weather warning for the storm.

The alert made a loud siren-like sound when it was delivered to devices, even if they were set on silent. The alert lasted for around 10 seconds.

The Met Office issued a rare red warning - the most serious type - earlier on Friday for wind in anticipation of the approaching storm.

The Met Office only issues red warnings when meteorologists believe that dangerous, potentially life-threatening weather is expected imminently.

It is in place from 03:00 to 11:00 GMT on Saturday, covering western and southern coastal regions of Wales, as well as the Bristol Channel including parts of Bristol and Cardiff.

The areas under the red warning are forecast wind gusts of 90mph (144kmph) or more, which could lead to flying debris and falling trees, posing a danger to life, the Met Office said.

The government alert was sent to every compatible mobile phone in impacted areas, containing information about the red warning and guidance on how to stay safe into Saturday.

Outside of test scenarios, the alert system has been used twice before, though both times on a smaller scale.

The last Met Office red warning was issued in January for winds in north-east Scotland.

Amber warnings covering Northern Ireland, Wales and the west coast of England are in place on Saturday morning.

The winds are also expected to cause large waves, power cuts affecting mobile phone services, as well as damage to buildings and homes. Transport networks are also anticipated to be affected.

Heavy rain and strengthening winds will start to be felt across western parts of the UK on Friday evening as less serious yellow warnings come into force.

This weather pattern will turn into Storm Darragh moving into Saturday.

The Met Office said the strongest winds would subside by late Saturday morning, but that it would remain very windy until the evening, with amber warnings remaining in place until then.

A yellow rain warning, indicating a risk of flooding, is also in place in parts of the western UK.

In the north of Scotland, a yellow warning for snow is in place, with areas above 400m (1,300ft) getting up to 20cm (8in) of snow. Snow will affect higher parts of the A9 and A83, and may lead to disruption and potential closures.

The Irish Meteorological Service has also issued a red warning for wind from 22:00 on Friday across parts of counties Donegal, Leitrim and Sligo.



In Wales, all domestic football and rugby matches scheduled for Saturday have been cancelled, including Cardiff City's Championship fixture against Watford which had been due to kick off at 15:00 GMT.

Other postponed Saturday football matches include Newport County v Carlisle United in League Two and Plymouth v Oxford United in the Championship.

Meanwhile, Welsh Rugby Union has postponed all community rugby fixtures.

As the weather worsens on Friday evening, shops and cafes in Welsh towns are making the decision to close on Saturday the run-up to the festive period.

Across the UK, there have also been widespread cancellations of winter events and Christmas markets scheduled for the weekend.

In London, all of the Royal Parks will close on Saturday which includes the popular Winter Wonderland attraction in Hyde Park.

Some travel providers warned that services were likely to be affected.

Stena Line ferries said some services across the Irish Sea on Saturday would be cancelled, while the Scottish CalMac operator said some routes could face disruption at short notice.

National Rail said some train journeys in the south west would face disruption, and urged users to check their journey before setting off.

Bristol Airport warned passengers that "disruption is expected" and passengers should check with their airline before travelling.

SP Energy Networks, a Scottish energy firm, said it was mobilising engineers to respond to power cuts "as quickly as possible" but added that customers should tell them if they lose power.  "If you experience a power outage ... please don't assume we know about it."

The RAC has advised motorists to postpone their journeys due to the "highly unusual" red weather warning.  Spokeswoman Alice Simpson told the BBC: "Exposed rural and coastal routes will be particularly treacherous.  Drivers in these areas should be wary of any high-sided vehicles as they are at risk of being buffeted off course or, worse still, blown over."

Storm Darragh is the fourth named storm of the year, after Ashley, Bert and Conall.

Some parts of the UK are still recovering from Storm Bert, which caused extreme flooding and led to the deaths of five people in November.

Scientists say as the Earth's climate warms, extreme weather events will become more frequent. For every 1C rise in average temperature, the atmosphere can hold up to around 7% more moisture.

Globally, heavy rainfall events have become more frequent and intense over most land regions, according to the UN's climate body, which says the pattern will intensify with further warming.


All three of us in this household received that message on our mobile phones - it startled the heck out of us!

CfN. 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Timmer at 18:20, 6th December 2024
 
Latest from GWR:

https://www.gwr.com/sunday-disruption

Travel advice following the recently issued storm weather warning and special events taking place across the GWR network:

Following red and amber weather warnings in relation to Storm Darragh on parts of our network, we are advising customers to change their plans if possible this weekend.

Although we expect to still be able to run train services, strong winds mean speed restrictions will be in place across the network, increasing journey times. Fallen trees and other debris may also impact services.

Customers with tickets for travel on GWR services on Saturday 7 and Sunday 8 December can be used on Monday 9 December.

If you no longer wish to travel this weekend you can claim a full refund at GWR.com/help-and-support/refunds

Please note Bath Christmas Market has been cancelled on Saturday.

For the latest journey information visit GWR.com/check.

On Sunday only, crew availability means a significantly reduced, amended timetable will be in place on long-distance services. Online journey planners are currently not correct and will be updated.

Please check your journey on Sunday morning for the latest information.

So no services or routes cancelled, just an advisory to change travel plans.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by JayMac at 16:58, 6th December 2024
 
Many other street markets and other events across the west have been cancelled for this weekend.

Santas on a Bike, ride from Bristol to Charlton Farm Children's Hospice

Gloucester Quays Christmas Market, Gloucestershire

Street Festive Market, Somerset

Wells Market, Somerset

Christmas at Westonbirt Trail, Gloucestershire

Stonehouse Goodwill Festival, Gloucestershire

Swindon Enchanted Gardens Light Trail

Clevedon Light up the Lake, Somerset

Frome Market, Somerset

Winchcombe Market, Gloucestershire

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 16:36, 6th December 2024
 
Bath Christmas Market's been pulled for Saturday 7th December.

Mark

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by a-driver at 16:15, 6th December 2024
 
I’m fully expecting that will happen. After being caught up in the mess a couple of weeks back, better to say in advance of tomorrow NO train services based on the warnings issued then everyone knows not to head to station in the first place.

Absolutely. An assessment should be made at first light whether trains will run, with the first services used as route proving.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Timmer at 16:10, 6th December 2024
 
Amber and red warnings. The train service should be suspended altogether.

It’s not worth the risk of damage to trains & infrastructure and more importantly having stranded passengers.
I’m fully expecting that will happen. After being caught up in the mess a couple of weeks back, better to say in advance of tomorrow NO train services based on the warnings issued then everyone knows not to head to station in the first place.

GWR tweeted this about 50 minutes ago so decisions are being made which is good:

Network Rail is currently assessing the impact on train services and we expect to be able to update our advice for travel tomorrow in the next hour.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by a-driver at 16:02, 6th December 2024
 
Amber and red warnings. The train service should be suspended altogether.

It’s not worth the risk of damage to trains & infrastructure and more importantly having stranded passengers.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by ChrisB at 11:03, 6th December 2024
 
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news-and-media/media-centre/weather-and-climate-news/2024/red-warning-for-storm-darragh

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by broadgage at 10:24, 6th December 2024
 
The previously issued amber warning, has been upgraded to a very rare red warning for certain Western areas, the amber warning remains in place elsewhere.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by broadgage at 07:32, 6th December 2024
 
I generally ignore yellow weather warnings, unless travelling by train. A yellow warning means "expect seasonal weather conditions"
This however is an amber warning, which suggests more serious conditions. I expect that i will again be glad to have a UPS system in case of power cuts.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 01:11, 6th December 2024
 
It was already very wet and windy here in Nailsea last night. 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:06, 5th December 2024
 
From the BBC:


Storm Darragh is set to bring damaging winds to parts of the UK on Saturday.

Northern Ireland, south-west Scotland and western parts of England and Wales could see gusts of up to 80mph (129km/h) from Darragh, which was named by the Met Office on Thursday.

Amber and yellow severe weather warnings have been issued with power cuts, building damage and transport disruption likely.

While heavy rain is also forecast, there is unlikely to be as much rainfall and flooding as seen with Storm Bert.

The fourth named storm of the season, Darragh comes only weeks after Storms Bert and Conall caused disruption at the end of November.

Late on Friday, a developing area of low pressure will start to bring heavy rain and strengthening winds across western parts of the UK.

As this develops further into Saturday, this becomes Storm Darragh with its centre crossing northern England.

An amber severe weather warning has been issued by the Met Office for strong winds in Northern Ireland, south-west Scotland and western areas of England and Wales from 3am to 9pm on Saturday.

Gusts will be around 70-80mph (113-129km/h), especially around coastal areas. Further inland, gusts will be 60-70mph (96-113km/h).

These wind gusts have the potential to damage buildings and will bring travel disruption, especially to ferry services in the Irish Sea.

There is a larger yellow Met Office warning across all parts of England and Wales for wind valid from 3pm on Friday through to 6am on Sunday when Darragh will have cleared into the North Sea.

Gusts will widely be around 40-50mph (64-80km/h) across England and Wales which could lead to some transport disruption on Saturday.

Those affected by severe flooding after Storm Bert may be concerned by another storm and heavy rain.

While the rainfall totals associated with Storm Darragh will not be as high, around 2-3in (50-60mm) of rain is expected in parts of Wales and central and southern Scotland by Saturday lunchtime.

A yellow Met Office warning for rain is valid from 3pm on Friday to 12pm on Saturday across these areas as there may be some localised flooding impacts.

Otherwise, more widely across the UK, rainfall totals will be up to an inch (25mm).

There will also be some heavy snow for a time over the higher ground of Scotland as Storm Darragh moves through.


Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:31, 30th November 2024
 
 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by AMLAG at 21:48, 28th November 2024
 

According to Real Time Trains the 1725 Oke left on time, struggled and arrd Crediton 66 late and St D 69 late.

The  2115 St D actually ran and left on time and is currently braving the 13 mile ‘high Risk Tree Tunnel’ from Coleford to Okehampton, the highest rly stn in Southern England at about 720 feet above sea level.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 21:24, 28th November 2024
 
The train is unable to move in a forward direction, according to National Rail


Can't it go backwards and a few hundred yards toward Meldon?

OR ... is it unable to move in a backward direction too, but they haven't told us that because it didn't have to/

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by ChrisB at 20:33, 28th November 2024
 
The train is unable to move in a forward direction, according to National Rail

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:27, 28th November 2024
 
Again from Realtime Trains, the Okehampton line is now back, the first arrival from Exeter being the 17:15, with the remaining three trains also scheduled to run.

Mark

Whoops! 

Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton via Crediton
Due to a broken down train between Crediton and Okehampton the line is blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Train services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton via Crediton have been cancelled.

Customer Advice
A train has broken down on our Okehampton line. As well as cancellations related to the earlier fallen trees, this has effectively suspended the line for the rest of the day.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Timmer at 19:05, 28th November 2024
 
If you wondered if the service was sh1t?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko
This article wouldn’t have been out of place in the Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles thread with Bristol Temple Meads doubling up as Newbury! 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 17:23, 28th November 2024
 
Again from Realtime Trains, the Okehampton line is now back, the first arrival from Exeter being the 17:15, with the remaining three trains also scheduled to run.

Mark

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 09:10, 28th November 2024
 
Checked the GWR web site and that does have the info - they're awaiting the all clear on a bridge that required inspection by divers, reopening 28th so it looks as though that hasn't happened. Perhaps this'll be the longest lasting closure consequential to storm Bert.

Chipping Sodbury still out too ... and the Brecon Mountain Railway

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 08:40, 28th November 2024
 
Wondering why the child who scribbles on Graham's map was so annoyed at Dartmoor, checked Realtime trains and thought for a moment, 'That's ok, lots of...' and then noticed that the trains were missing:


https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OKE/2024-11-28/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt


Then checked National Rail, but against GWR, only a note "Residual delays'.

Checked the GWR web site and that does have the info - they're awaiting the all clear on a bridge that required inspection by divers, reopening 28th so it looks as though that hasn't happened. Perhaps this'll be the longest lasting closure consequential to storm Bert.

Also, the service seems to have been 'Taxituted'.

Mark

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:19, 28th November 2024
 
If you wondered if the service was sh1t?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko

Blimey. And we worry about leaves on the line.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by CyclingSid at 08:09, 28th November 2024
 
If you wondered if the service was sh1t?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wrz7y5wvko

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:06, 27th November 2024
 
An update, from the BBC:

Storm Conall brings more rain as it passes over UK

Storm Conall has brought another day of rain to southern England, causing disruptions including cancellations of train services.

There are currently 75 flood warnings in England with flood-hit areas still recovering from the days of downpours during Storm Bert.

The new storm broght fewer issues as it passed over southern England on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, because it was forecast to strengthen as it moved towards the Netherlands.

The number of flood warnings is expected to continue dropping as the flood-hit areas will see drier weather over the next few days.

As Storm Conall passed over England, nearly 50mm of rain fell on Dartmoor and 20-30mm in some other parts of southern England.

But many of the areas that were flooded during Storm Bert saw less rain with totals at around 3mm-8mm, so further problems were averted.  The rain was linked to a developing area of low pressure crossing west to east across southern England.  The upcoming days will see higher pressure, which will bring dry weather across flooded areas, allowing time for the flood water to disappear.

In parts of south-east England, trains were cancelled along three routes due to flooded tracks, while five other routes were facing disruption on Wednesday morning.

Gatwick Express trains will continue to see delays and cancellations into the evening, with the service advising commuters who use the service to start return journeys as soon as possible due to disruptions.

Thameslink passengers travelling to Welwyn Garden City have been advised to use alternate routes due to some suspended services, while others are still reduced.

...



Heavy rainfall and strong winds brought by Storm Bert over the weekend led to at least five deaths, while homes, roads and rail networks faced major disruption.

(news item continues)


Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by BBM at 11:02, 27th November 2024
 
This is almost rubbing salt into an open wound, but if you have a spare 3 hours in the day you might like to watch the video and marvel at how the Norwegian railways cope with bad weather.

It gets particularly spicy about 1hr 40min. Just try to picture an IEP running in the same conditions.

https://youtu.be/JvDjZRR9LAg?si=e7nt4ohYCEMI1Ta-

And from Japan (jump to 0:40 for the first train in the snowy video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uXKUA3ODKM

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by brooklea at 10:00, 27th November 2024
 
Could running via Bristol Parkway be driven, at least partly, by the requirement for crew changes there I wonder?

Filton Abbey Wood also not the best place to be turfed off your train if your car happens to be parked in the large car park at Bristol Parkway...

Whilst I can see the frustration of the additional delay for passengers travelling from South Wales to London, I can also see good reason to run via Bristol Parkway in this situation.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by jamestheredengine at 08:40, 27th November 2024
 
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

The line between Bristol Parkway and Swindon also remains closed due to flooding. As a result our South Wales-London service is reduced to an hourly frequency, and continues to run on a diversionary route adding around 45 minutes to journey times. Similarly we expect this to remain in place until Thursday 28 Nov at the earliest.


The bit that's not brilliant here is that they're still insisting on running into Bristol Parkway and reversing, rather than serving the South Gloucestershire area by having it stop at Filton Abbey Wood instead. This has the effect of the up London getting stuck behind the Cardiff to Portsmouth service. So a diversion that in itself should add less than 20 minutes just turned into delays upon delays until the trains were running about 90 minutes late yesterday afternoon.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by lbraine at 08:23, 27th November 2024
 
This is almost rubbing salt into an open wound, but if you have a spare 3 hours in the day you might like to watch the video and marvel at how the Norwegian railways cope with bad weather.

It gets particularly spicy about 1hr 40min. Just try to picture an IEP running in the same conditions.

https://youtu.be/JvDjZRR9LAg?si=e7nt4ohYCEMI1Ta-

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 04:40, 27th November 2024
 
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

We promised to keep you updated as the impact of Storm Bert continues to be felt.
 
[snip]
 
As ever if there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.


We understand that in times of extreme weather and high river levels some trains have to be cancelled,  but it would be a real help to us if you could run almost all of the trains that are in your timetable please once this unusual weather event has passed. Thank you

......and if you genuinely want to help, ensure that your communications channels are adequately resourced, configured, informed and empowered in order to be able to help people who "don't hesitate to get in touch" as you are encouraging.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:05, 26th November 2024
 
From the BBC:

A newly-named storm, Conall, is forecast to bring heavy rain to southern England and threaten further issues in flood-hit areas still cleaning up from Storm Bert.

The Met Office has issued yellow weather warnings for rainfall in several southern areas of the UK from 22:00 GMT on Tuesday until midday on Wednesday.

Many parts of England and Wales will also see wet conditions overnight, though the worst of the storm will not hit the UK.

The storm was named by the Dutch Weather Service, which along with the Met Office and Met Eireann in Ireland, name storms for ease of communication.

BBC Weather's Tomasz Schafernaker said Conall would still be developing as it tracked across southern parts of the UK, meaning "the worst of the storm is expected to miss us".  He said the rain would be "initially quite heavy", before moving east throughout the night.

The heaviest rainfall is expected near the south coast of England and in the far southeast, with 15-20mm and possibly 30-40mm of rain forecast.  These areas did not receive the same heavy rainfall from Storm Bert as some other parts of England and Wales.

Flood-hit areas, which could see some rainfall overnight, are very sensitive to any more rain.  And while there will not be much, typically 5-15mm, it could cause more issues.



On Wednesday, the rain band is expected to curl back, with Lincolnshire, the Peak District and the Midlands likely to experience wet conditions, Schafernaker said.

Coastal areas of Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Kent could also feel "near gale force" winds.  In the north, frost is expected in Scotland and the Lake District.

Heavy rainfall and strong winds brought by Storm Bert over the weekend led to at least five deaths, while homes, roads and rail networks faced major disruption.  Many communities are still cleaning up after homes and businesses were inundated by floodwater.

Conall is the third "named" storm of the season, after Ashley and Bert.

The storms list - first launched in 2015 - for each year generally runs from early September until late August the following year, coinciding with the beginning of autumn.


Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 21:25, 26th November 2024
 
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

We promised to keep you updated as the impact of Storm Bert continues to be felt.
 
[snip]
 
As ever if there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.


We understand that in times of extreme weather and high river levels some trains have to be cancelled,  but it would be a real help to us if you could run almost all of the trains that are in your timetable please once this unusual weather event has passed. Thank you

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 20:56, 26th November 2024
 
From GWR a couple of hours ago (dusk on 26th November)

We promised to keep you updated as the impact of Storm Bert continues to be felt.
 
While most lines have now reopened, both the Barnstaple and Okehampton branch lines remain closed and are likely to remain so until at least Thursday 28 Nov. High water levels in the River Yeo to the north of Crediton means Network Rail divers aren’t yet able to ascertain the damage to a rail bridge over the river, so the lines remain closed.
 
We are operating a rail shuttle service from Exeter St Davids to Crediton, and a limited rail replacement service between Exeter and Barnstaple/Okehampton. These taxis/buses will run directly between Exeter and Barnstaple/Okehampton respectively and will not call at any intermediate stations, including Crediton. We also have ticket acceptance on certain local bus routes; more information can be found at www.gwr.com/check.
 
The line between Bristol Parkway and Swindon also remains closed due to flooding. As a result our South Wales-London service is reduced to an hourly frequency, and continues to run on a diversionary route adding around 45 minutes to journey times. Similarly we expect this to remain in place until Thursday 28 Nov at the earliest.
 
Tickets dated for travel today can be used tomorrow (Weds 27 Nov). There is also heavy rain forecast overnight this evening into tomorrow and with water levels already very high there is the chance for further disruption, so we’re advising customers to check before they travel at www.gwr.com/check, or through our social media accounts at www.x.com/gwrhelp and www.x.com/networkrailwest.
 
As ever if there’s anything we can do to help, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 16:10, 26th November 2024
 
Dawlish lifts: dead again until further notice allegedly.

As are the lifts at Exeter St Davids. Does Exeter deploy the barrow crossing when that happens?

Mark

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:17, 26th November 2024
 
I have edited the subject of this topic to clarify that the rain event is Storm Bert

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by ChrisB at 09:09, 26th November 2024
 
When a platform is being worked on or replaced, it should be raised by the maximum permitted height relative to the train, in order that the track can be later raised without altering the platform.

So much for level boarding though, eh?

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Electric train at 07:22, 26th November 2024
 
With "once in a century" floods now occurring every few years, and a reasonable expectation that this will get worse and not better, the railway needs to get better prepared. Or in more detail-

When a new bridge is required over a rail line, at LEAST one meter EXTRA clearance should be provided under the bridge in order that the track can be raised in future without altering the bridge.

When a platform is being worked on or replaced, it should be raised by the maximum permitted height relative to the train, in order that the track can be later raised without altering the platform.

New or refurbished station buildings should be designed to be flood resistant, hard floor and wall coverings that can be pressure washed rather than replaced after a flood. High level electrics. High level shelfs upon which can be placed IT equipment and other valuables when flooding threatens.

Substations for traction or domestic purposes to be located on plinths a meter above the worst previous flood.



All great ideas and they are adopted where possible.

Although station building built so the can be pressure washed would be very clinical in there look.

Elevating electrical equipment is done based on flood risk where possible, although its not just the railways own infrastructure that gets wiped out in floods.

Nature can be defended to a point of cost .................... simple question

How much is the travelling public willing to pay in terms of rail fares to get to 100% flood defence

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by chuffed at 06:52, 26th November 2024
 
And stop building on flood plains. The clues in the name....

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by broadgage at 01:46, 26th November 2024
 
With "once in a century" floods now occurring every few years, and a reasonable expectation that this will get worse and not better, the railway needs to get better prepared. Or in more detail-

When a new bridge is required over a rail line, at LEAST one meter EXTRA clearance should be provided under the bridge in order that the track can be raised in future without altering the bridge.

When a platform is being worked on or replaced, it should be raised by the maximum permitted height relative to the train, in order that the track can be later raised without altering the platform.

New or refurbished station buildings should be designed to be flood resistant, hard floor and wall coverings that can be pressure washed rather than replaced after a flood. High level electrics. High level shelfs upon which can be placed IT equipment and other valuables when flooding threatens.

Substations for traction or domestic purposes to be located on plinths a meter above the worst previous flood.


Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Trowres at 00:04, 26th November 2024
 
Flooding is still blocking the line between Bedwyn and Taunton, meaning there are no long-distance services between Devon & Cornwall and London

Freight trains have been running between the Mendips, Westbury, Bedwyn and beyond since about 11:00 on 25th. OK, so Castle Cary-Taunton remains closed, but it would have been nice to have had some service for the intermediate stations, or even a message that Pewsey would have zero service all day, Monday.

Apart from the quoted line above, most communications have referred to services between London Paddington and Penzance ... not a mention of Paignton.

I note that with flooding at Lydney, TfW managed to put together a service as far as Chepstow. Perhaps over the border priorities are different?

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 22:54, 25th November 2024
 
And for tomorrow (26th November)  ...

We promised to keep you updated on the impact of Storm Bert on our services. Network Rail and GWR teams have been working throughout the day to clear and inspect the lines, opening them for service where possible.
 
We are now able to operate a limited service on most of our routes, including from South Wales, Bristol and the Cotswolds to London. Our South Wales services must operate via a diversionary route due to flooding between Bristol Parkway and Swindon, meaning journeys are taking longer.
 
Flooding is still blocking the line between Bedwyn and Taunton, meaning there are no long-distance services between Devon & Cornwall and London. Customers are advised not to travel on this route; we do have ticket acceptance on SWR from Exeter St Davids to London Waterloo for customers who do need to travel.
 
Local services in Devon & Cornwall are now operating with the exception of the Barnstaple and Okehampton lines which remain closed. Our Night Riviera sleeper service will not operate tonight or tomorrow (Tuesday 26 Nov).
 
We will maintain a reduced service on our long-distance routes tomorrow (Tuesday 26 Nov). Additional rain is forecast for tomorrow evening which could result further flooding of the railway at certain key locations. As a result customers are advised to complete journeys tomorrow by 1900.
 
Tickets dated for today (Mon 25) can be tomorrow and on Wednesday 27 Nov, or customers can claim a full fee-free refund. For the latest information and to check journeys, customers should visit www.gwr.com/check.
 
Thank you for your patience and support, and if there’s anything we do to help, please do get in touch.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:31, 25th November 2024
 
.......at a time like this? There genuinely isn't a single other person who could take over?

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 16:37, 25th November 2024
 
Hmm, a friend needs Bath Spa to Plymouth and back, tomorrow Tuesday 26th November... looks as if they'll need to drive it though.

Mark

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Trowres at 15:37, 25th November 2024
 
Confirming that the 12:17 Westbury-Swindon was cancelled, and its return working, due to "an issue with the train crew".

Rather short notice, that.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 13:00, 25th November 2024
 
... that trains on the Bristol-Southampton line are running a tolerably useful service. ( I was going to include the Melksham line (gasp) but at this moment the train's in the platform at Westbury, apparently waiting for a conductor).

Yep . that's not uncommon with that train ... as I understand it, the crew comes off the London to the South West semi-fast and if anything goes wrong with / delays the trains on the main line knock on to the TransWilts, even thought (staff excepted) only a small proportion of people come in via from or viaPewsey and head out to or via Melksham.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Trowres at 12:30, 25th November 2024
 
I am pondering over the accuracy and tone of the messaging being provided about train services. This from an update 11:44 today:

London Paddington - Swansea

Train services between London Paddington and South Wales are subject to severe disruption due to flooding. The level of disruption combined with shortages of train crew and planned engineering works means that GWR are unable to guarantee that any journey on this route will remain feasible this evening and intending customers are strongly advised to amend their travel plans to travel today or Tuesday 26th November.

Trains are only running between London Paddington and Swindon, they are unable to divert via alternative routes as these are both closed by flooding. Great Western Railway are unable to offer alternative transport between Swindon and Bristol Parkway. You are advised not to attempt to travel along this route.

The first paragraph is confusing and looks like the result of editing yesterday's text. The second paragraph is inaccurate as, at the time of the update, South Wales services were running in both directions via Chippenham.

Bearing mind that conditions on the roads aren't exactly fun, with closures on the A36 (power lines down in addition to roadworks) and congestion on the A350 / A361, it might be an idea to (suitably nuanced) point out that trains on the Bristol-Southampton line are running a tolerably useful service. ( I was going to include the Melksham line (gasp) but at this moment the train's in the platform at Westbury, apparently waiting for a conductor).






Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:29, 25th November 2024
 
I reckon that Network Rail (NR) and the DfT now need to draw up and rapidly implement a plan to deal with the catalogue of obvious flooding blackspots. Different solutions will be required depending on the local topography but Cowley Bridge Junction is an excellent example of what can be achieved if the issues are addressed properly.

Tunnels and/or cuttings prone to repeated flooding could be fitted with pumping systems to move the water elsewhere via pipelines. Sites where pooling is an issue could be provided with larger culverts and/or underground storage tanks. Sections of line running on flood plains could be protected by the installation of sheet piling which, if necessary, would allow the track level to be raised (with the obvious considerations regarding bridge clearances).

But.....who's going to pay for it?!

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by AMLAG at 10:53, 25th November 2024
 


Rather surprisingly with the main line closed between Plymouth and N.Abbot from approx 1130 Sunday until early today ‘due flooding between Ivybridge and Totnes’ ( at again ? S. Brent rail over river Avon Bdge with an unresolved river bed scour problem ? ) that two NR Engineers trains were allowed to run through operated by the Freightliner FOC; the 1500 Goonbarrow ( ex Nqy) to Westbury and the 1007 Westbury to Goonbarrow (for Nqy ).


Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by johnneyw at 10:03, 25th November 2024
 
The Bristol to Exeter service that I planned to take today has been cancelled.  Next service still scheduled to run gets me there two hours later.  Just as well that I became aware this before I left the house but I really should have checked earlier... that way I needn't have rushed my cup of coffee!


Edit to add footnote.   Further cancellations towards Devon from Temple Meads today meant my further attempts to get to Exeter had to be abandoned.  The friend who I meant to meet there managed the trip down The Mule from Crewkerne but I've not heard yet how the return leg went....or didn't.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by a-driver at 09:24, 25th November 2024
 
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.

Code BLACK, which is basically the do not travel advice, doesn't trigger anything on the website or App.

They've now downgraded the level of disruption to a Code RED which then means journey check, the website, App will display service disruption

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by IndustryInsider at 08:39, 25th November 2024
 
It highlights some serious deficiencies within GWR control, be it experience, decision making and/or staffing levels.

I would suggest it’s bit of all three.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by a-driver at 08:29, 25th November 2024
 
The disruption is that great they simply can can’t cope with the information and changes incoming….. the departure boards are all incorrect.
It highlights some serious deficiencies within GWR control, be it experience, decision making and/or staffing levels.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by lbraine at 07:48, 25th November 2024
 
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.

Beaten to it ! I was about to post the same. its almost like GWR is in denial, or is happy to mislead the public and take their money even when they know the service is less (much less) that the timetabled commitment.

Yesterday afternoon at PAD was horrendous - to secure a train back to Reading involved 4 platform changes / train changes
After dance number 3 between, the Taunton train was announced as NOT stopping at Reading. Dance number 4 ensued by passengers.
Onto a Swindon Stopper - that promptly gor routed behind a Lizzy Line train all the way to Reading. Even the drive/guard announcing that if you want a quicker journey - 'jump through the window to the Elizabeth Line train' next to us. Does not reflect the best morale in GWR.
Finally arrived at Reading after an hour stop-start to see he foresaid Taunton train happily sitting in the next platform.

On the upside - with the train dancing I was able to witness the best of people - as many elderly and young families were helped by more able and seasoned travellers to understand and naviagate the inflected chaos.

I'm a big fan of Mark Hopwood but his railway is barely coping at the moment

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 07:29, 25th November 2024
 
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.

A bit naughty as the amount of red crayon on the coffeeshop's wonderful map this morning suggests otherwise.

Mark

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Sulis John at 07:04, 25th November 2024
 
And yet GWR’s own website tells us “There’s a good service running across our network”.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 06:10, 25th November 2024
 
BBC Live feed:

Major rail disruption persists

published at 05:28

Flooding and high winds brought by Storm Bert have caused significant travel disruption across the country.
The most affected areas appear to be the routes linking London with the west of England and Wales.

Network Rail has advised people not to travel today on the following routes:
Penzance to London Paddington Newport
Bristol Parkway to London Paddington Bristol Temple Meads, Swindon, Reading to London Paddington
Worcester to London Paddington
Exeter St Davids to Okehampton and Exeter to Barnstaple

Several other rail lines are also closed or expecting serious disruption, including:
All lines between Plymouth and Gunnislake are closed, as well as those between Liskeard and Looe
Some lines in the Northampton area area blocked
The line between Great Malvern and Hereford is closed
Trains will not run between Lancaster and Barrow-in-Furness until Friday

This list is not exhaustive - check the National Rail website or with your train operator before travelling.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 06:06, 25th November 2024
 
And "partials" are just as much cancellations for stations left out.  To give an idea of some of the other issues this morning:

03:38 Swansea to London Paddington due 07:16
03:38 Swansea to London Paddington due 07:16 will be terminated at Bristol Parkway.
It will no longer call at Swindon, Didcot Parkway, Reading and London Paddington.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

04:50 Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads due 07:28
04:50 Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads due 07:28 was started from Eastleigh.
It will no longer call at Fratton, Cosham, Portchester and Fareham.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

05:27 Newbury to Reading due 06:03
05:27 Newbury to Reading due 06:03 will be started from Newbury Racecourse.
It will no longer call at Newbury.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

06:38 Weymouth to Gloucester due 10:02
06:38 Weymouth to Gloucester due 10:02 will be started from Yeovil Pen Mill.
It will no longer call at Weymouth, Upwey, Dorchester West, Maiden Newton, Chetnole, Yetminster and Thornford.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by grahame at 05:07, 25th November 2024
 
It's been hard to keep up with events, but, trying to summarise the state towards the end of Sunday:

Information gathered from Journeycheck / RTT / Opentraintimes / Tiger. Not always logically consistent.

Thanks of that list - yesterday was a really good day not to travel and today starts with
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton via Crediton
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple via Crediton
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Swansea via Bristol Parkway
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Bristol Temple Meads
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Penzance via Exeter St Davids
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake
Delays to services between Gloucester and Bristol Parkway

which isn't even a full list ... selected from elsewhere

05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill due 06:15

05:10 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill due 06:15 will be cancelled.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:07

05:11 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:07 will be cancelled.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

05:23 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 06:57

05:23 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 06:57 will be cancelled.
This is due to heavy rain flooding the railway.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Trowres at 23:30, 24th November 2024
 
It's been hard to keep up with events, but, trying to summarise the state towards the end of Sunday:
  • Line closed between Newton Abbot and Plymouth (flooding)
  • Exeter-Barnstaple closed (trees)
  • Exeter-Okehampton closed (trees)
  • Plymouth-Gunnislake (trees)
  • Taunton-Castle Cary closed (flooding)
  • Weston SM - Bristol closed (flooding)
  • Swindon-Bristol Parkway closed (flooding / landslip)
  • Swindon-Chippenham closed (flooding both sides of Wootton Bassett Jn)
  • Chippenham-Bath closed (flooding)
  • Oxford-Worcester closed (flooding)- the 21:36 Paddington-Worcester reversed at Oxford and now planned to run via Swindon and Stroud
  • Not sure about Westbury-Reading, although trains are unable to call at Newbury (flooding)
  • Birmingham-Bristol blocked. Journeycheck says between Birmingham and Cheltenham (although a freight has just traversed this and maps suggest south of Standish Jn
  • Lydney-Gloucester blocked (flooding)
  • Great Malvern-Hereford blocked (flooding)
  • Hereford-Abergavenny blocked (landslip)

Information gathered from Journeycheck / RTT / Opentraintimes / Tiger. Not always logically consistent.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by Mark A at 22:08, 24th November 2024
 
Does anyone have a prediction as to how this event will evolve? It's giving the impression that it has the potential for disrupting things for a day or five. Has the downpour caused serious damage anywhere?

Mark

[Subject edited to clarify that the rain event was Storm Bert - Red Squirrel]

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by broadgage at 04:02, 12th October 2024
 
Looks like the BBC weather app and website have returned to normal. A glitch in their data feed meant they were forecasting temperatures of over 400C and wind speeds of 13000mph for parts of the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx25wjjnxp0o


I was briefly alarmed by the forecast of hurricane strength winds, but only very briefly until I noticed the impossible temperatures and wind speeds that were also forecast.
And also the absence of any relevant Met Office severe weather warnings.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2024
Posted by stuving at 20:24, 11th October 2024
 
Interesting comment on Kirk.  I had assumed that the deluge we had on Tuesday afternoon / evening had come from it.

Apparently not. I thought we might have got a bit of very wet air spun off Kirk, but instead a new depression was spun up by one of two bits of jet stream to the south of us. They were also what shepherded Kirk away from us.

 
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