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| Re: Call for rail fare simplification In "Fare's Fair" [367826/28318/4] Posted by GBM at 08:25, 6th November 2025 | ![]() |
https://busandtrainuser.com/2025/11/06/inconsistent-and-unfriendly-rail-ticket-pricing/
The Price Is(n’t) Right
Thursday 6th November 2025
Taking day trips by train north from London always brings home the huge inconsistency of rail ticket pricing, especially if you want to leave the capital around 09:00 to make the most of your day and enjoy reasonably priced fares.
One of the worst culprits for setting unreasonable fares is East Midlands Railway. Reasonably priced off-peak tickets leaving London on the Midland Main Line don’t become valid until 10:05, which is frustratingly (and deliberately) set three minutes after a fast train, taking two hours and three minutes, leaves St Pancras at 10:02 for Sheffield. Catch that train and a return to Sheffield will set you back £161.50 – and that’s jokingly called an “Off-Peak Return” which also applies on the 09:02 and 09:32 departures. Catch the 08:32 and it’ll set you back £254.20 for a return London to Sheffield. What a joke. Aside from business accounts, does anyone ever pay that?
.............continues..............
| Box Tunnel portal at risk? In "Railway History and related topics" [367825/31043/55] Posted by matth1j at 08:20, 6th November 2025 | ![]() |
https://bathnewseum.com/2025/11/06/box-tunnel-blues/
The portal leading into Isambard Kingdom Brunel’s historic Grade 11* listed Box rail tunnel may be placed on Historic England’s Heritage at Risk Register.
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It saddens me that such an important example of the railway history of this country, in particular when the country is celebrating 200 years of the Railway under Railway 200, is in such poor condition.
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It saddens me that such an important example of the railway history of this country, in particular when the country is celebrating 200 years of the Railway under Railway 200, is in such poor condition.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025 - proposed New Passenger Watchdog In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367824/31040/40] Posted by CyclingSid at 08:18, 6th November 2025 | ![]() |
"Multi-modal functions" does not seem to include active travel. Another missed opportunity missed to improve cycle facilities relating to railways?
| Re: Server slow ... In "News, Help and Assistance" [367823/30293/29] Posted by grahame at 07:07, 6th November 2025 Already liked by matth1j | ![]() |
I have made a number of changes / tweaks over the past fortnight, and symptoms like that should now occur only very, very rarely. Many of the changes made mean that our front of house receptionist / manager is now picking up loads more casual and repeated enquiries rather than passing them on though to our worker server.

But, sadly, I have failed to identify what it is that's causing the spikes and ironically because the worker server now has a lower general load the spike can climb further before it cuts off. You will at times see slow responses. With the worker so busy during these spikes, it's almost impossible to log in to it and look around, the problem being gone before I can actually have that look around. There are *some* helpful patterns ....

But, sadly, I have failed to identify what it is that's causing the spikes and ironically because the worker server now has a lower general load the spike can climb further before it cuts off. You will at times see slow responses. With the worker so busy during these spikes, it's almost impossible to log in to it and look around, the problem being gone before I can actually have that look around. There are *some* helpful patterns ....
I *think* I have now identified what's been causing the problem load spike issue, and in the process also made some other efficiency changes.
Main change / issue: We have 9Gb of archived documents (and that will continue to grow) for our search engine to look through, and over 300,000 individual public posts to check too. And such searches are none-trivial. They are welcome - however, it would appear that at least one well known search engine (not Google) has been making lots of search requests and indeed with terms that are WAY off topic. A couple of lines of code mean that we now send a quick and polite reply when an automata searches for things like (and these are real searches from the hours before I made the change):
* MyFloridaMarketPlace abbreviation
* housing lawyer in penang
* Napoleon Dynamite Live reviews
* melinda breslin townsend louisville ky
* 2m tv documentaire region du sud
* wer ist emilio frazzoli unfall
While I was at it ... I have an image library containing 20,000 plus different images, a handful of which are called up frequently and consistently. They are managed by our worker server which is the one that loads heavy, but I have now mirrored around 50 of them on the receptionist server to allow that machine to answer queries without reference to the worker. Yesterday, with that change in place, our receptionist served 3,000 images of which perhaps a third were done without reference to the worker.
Here's the worker loading as of an hour ago - solid black line is today's

There will continue to be spikes, including server management and database backup operations but I don't want to see them going off the scale.
With my thanks again for your suggestion, RailCornwall, you did start a lively debate among the Admin / Moderator team on the Coffee Shop forum.
That was all good: we have reached a decision as to where such posts should be encouraged to be made - but that's not final. We on the admin team (well, me, probably
) remain happy to move and / or merge topics, if it helps our readers to find particular posts in the future.
May I emphasize again that nothing will be deleted, just because 'it's been posted in the wrong place'. On the Coffee Shop forum, we don't do that.
I may, however, move the occasional post to a more appropriate location. Goodness knows, I've moved a few of my own, when the benefit of hindsight tells me I should have put them somewhere else.
CfN.
That was all good: we have reached a decision as to where such posts should be encouraged to be made - but that's not final. We on the admin team (well, me, probably
) remain happy to move and / or merge topics, if it helps our readers to find particular posts in the future.May I emphasize again that nothing will be deleted, just because 'it's been posted in the wrong place'. On the Coffee Shop forum, we don't do that.
I may, however, move the occasional post to a more appropriate location. Goodness knows, I've moved a few of my own, when the benefit of hindsight tells me I should have put them somewhere else.

CfN.

Thanks, Chris ... all AOK. Not the first time (and I'm sure not the last) that breaking news is broken in new threads by two members in parallel at the same time, and they are sensibly merged. And if they're in different boards, that involves a move and a decision which is the better location for the developing topic. Whose name is on the top of the merged topic is automatic as the posts merged are in chronological order.
It's often worth merging in sub-topics too ... but where there is a mega-topic (as this bill and its consequences are likely to be), spin-offs and divisions may make sense. I can recall the extra car park at Tiverton Parkway was a result of the Dawlish washout ... yet logically made a full topic on its own right rather than being hidden within sea wall engineering. Such decisions are always on a balance and I weighed up the passenger voice element of the bill and whether it should be a separate topic, and decided in my mind that it should be - though I had my doubts. On that basis, the invite to Chris and other mods / admins to make the call and bearing in mind the enormity of the GBR bill, I remain of the view that major elements (there may be another element on accessibility and others) are best as threads on their own right within the same board.
As an aside, there are a few occasion where I may suggest "this should NOT be merged" against perhaps obvious evidence. That includes posts that are indexed elsewhere and merging them into other threads will break that indexing. "On this Day" topics are an example here, as are Facebook shares (anyone can make these) of our front pages. I feel a new topic coming up to tell members how to do that!
| Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [367819/28982/26] Posted by REVUpminster at 21:30, 5th November 2025 Already liked by GBM | ![]() |
Ely Mif :9: 175004/005/008/010 175103/104/105/109/110 (175008 is in two halves)
Wolverton : 12 : 175001/006/011 175101/102/106/107/108/111/112/113/115/116 Many of these must be ready to leave.
Laira : 6: 175002/007/009 175114; 175001/003 are refurbished.
Maybe the two refurbished units could replace a HST diagram. Better than lying idle at Laira for another 5 weeks.
Really surprised they only brought one unit down again and not two or three.
Thank you, both, for your restraint from speculating.

| Re: Multiple stabbings on a London bound train in Cambridgeshire - 01 Nov 25 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367817/31017/51] Posted by ChrisB at 21:06, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
And, I suspect, does the NHS & its mental health care-giving
| Spaniel freed from drainage pipe after three hours - for all dog lovers here ;-) In "The Lighter Side" [367816/31042/30] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:03, 5th November 2025 Already liked by Ollie | ![]() |
From the BBC:

Senna the nine-year-old spaniel had a ruff time before being rescued
A dog was freed from a drainage pipe after being trapped for more than three hours.
Senna the spaniel became stuck inside the pipe, which measured more than 98ft (30m) at his home on Hepworth Road, in Market Weston, Suffolk. The pipe drained into a nearby pond, from where it is thought Senna may have got inside.
The petrified pooch was eventually rescued following a collaborative effort by the Norfolk Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) team, a local drainage company, the dog's owners, and residents.
In a statement published earlier, Adam Eagle, a station manager at Suffolk Fire and Rescue Service, praised all those involved in the rescue. "Thanks to the combined efforts of USAR, the owners, and local residents, we were able to dig down to the pipe and create an access point," he said. "After some encouragement from his owner, Senna was able to be brought back up and was safely rescued."
| Re: Multiple stabbings on a London bound train in Cambridgeshire - 01 Nov 25 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367815/31017/51] Posted by JayMac at 21:02, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
It is now abundantly clear that human nature, training, selflessness and bravery have all played a part in showing that during a major incident the best of the general public and civilian agencies was on display.
In just eleven minutes from the first call to 999 the suspect was in custody. That was an eleven minutes when many people did everything in their power to protect their fellow human and end the incident. Although not meeting the police description of "terrorism" this was a terrifying experience for those attacked, and those witnessing the attack.
A detailed timeline will no doubt come from the criminal investigation and legal process. That process is underway so speculation about the individual charged should be avoided.
We can though applaud all who acted bravely and selflessly and all who assisted bringing the incident to a swift conclusion.
The Customer Host who tried to stop the attacker.
The passenger who shielded a complete stranger.
The train driver for instigating an immediate move to the slow line and making an unscheduled stop in Huntingdon. That is not a quick and easy process.
The signallers for enabling the move and coordinating with emergency services.
The motorist who prevented a carjacking/hostage situation. And then lit the arrest scene with his headlights to assist police.
The police for their swift response and arrest of an armed suspect.
And countless others, including ambulance services, 999 call handlers, and other railway staff.
All the instinct and training worked together to end the danger as quick as was humanly possible.
That's the incident timeline itself. What happened in the preceding couple of days does raise serious questions for the police to answer.
With my thanks again for your suggestion, RailCornwall, you did start a lively debate among the Admin / Moderator team on the Coffee Shop forum.
That was all good: we have reached a decision as to where such posts should be encouraged to be made - but that's not final. We on the admin team (well, me, probably
) remain happy to move and / or merge topics, if it helps our readers to find particular posts in the future.May I emphasize again that nothing will be deleted, just because 'it's been posted in the wrong place'. On the Coffee Shop forum, we don't do that.
I may, however, move the occasional post to a more appropriate location. Goodness knows, I've moved a few of my own, when the benefit of hindsight tells me I should have put them somewhere else.

CfN.

| Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [367813/28982/26] Posted by TonyK at 19:58, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
175001 is shown at EXD today in a picture on Railways of Devon and Cornwall by Rich Martian Browne.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10241366930496540&set=g.384010423010289
| MOVED: Great British Railways In "Introductions and chat" [367812/31041/1] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:58, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
This topic has been moved to Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years.
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=31034.0
| Re: Railways Bill: introducing and designing Great British Railways In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367811/31038/40] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:02, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
My thanks to ChrisB and grahame for leading me into something of a minefield here.

I suggest that we do have separate topics here, for such sections of the Railways Bill as attract specific comment.
Therefore, I have expanded the heading of grahame's topic, so that we can continue to discuss its implications in the context of the Railways Bill.
However, I am, as ever, open to other suggestions as to how we on the Coffee Shop forum could best deal with this whole subject. CfN.

| Re: Railways Bill 2025 - proposed New Passenger Watchdog In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367810/31040/40] Posted by Mark A at 17:46, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
A roads / motorways... is that a bit of mission creep that could do with being put into reverse?
Mark
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [367809/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:45, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
Wednesday November 5
17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 14:52
18:51 Evesham to Oxford due 19:50 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 14:52
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 14:52
18:51 Evesham to Oxford due 19:50 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 14:52
Later:
1W31 15:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern (18:26) : departed +15 (+30 late from depot), Oxford +19, saved 10 at Evesham, arrived Worcester Shrub Hill +13 and cancelled thereafter.
1W33 16:58 London Paddington to Great Malvern (19:25) : stopped at the halts, arrived +19.
19:02 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 21:26 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to this train being late from the depot.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 18:12
Held Norton (+10), arrived +19.This is due to this train being late from the depot.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 18:12
1P44 19:45 Great Malvern to Paddington (22:24) : delayed Malvern Link (+27) and before Foregate St (+43), held Norton (+60), arrived Reading +50 and cancelled thereafter.
20:56 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 23:36 has been previously delayed, is being further delayed between Oxford and Reading and is now expected to be 25 minutes late.
This is due to the police dealing with an incident.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 22:55
Held Shrub Hill (+18), arrived +25.This is due to the police dealing with an incident.
Last Updated:05/11/2025 22:55
| Re: Railways Bill: introducing and designing Great British Railways In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367808/31038/40] Posted by grahame at 17:11, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
I have merged two topics here, as they all relate to the same piece of proposed legislation.
So go on - merge Graham's here too....

I'm going to defer to CfN on this ... busy sorting out server load issues
| Re: Railways Bill: introducing and designing Great British Railways In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367807/31038/40] Posted by ChrisB at 16:41, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
I have merged two topics here, as they all relate to the same piece of proposed legislation.
So go on - merge Graham's here too....

| Re: Railways Bill: introducing and designing Great British Railways In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367806/31038/40] Posted by ChrisB at 16:40, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
There are 9 sections under that one link
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/railways-bill
Graham has started one thread on one of the sections - Passenger Watchdog - and this was to be the start of a second before setting up all the others so that discussion was concentrated on the Government's sectioning.
Rather than concentrating all discussion into two or even one (if you merge Graham's here too) - I think it better to follow the Government's sections?
| Re: Railways Bill: introducing and designing Great British Railways In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367805/31038/40] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:38, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
I have merged two topics here, as they all relate to the same piece of proposed legislation.
CfN.

| Re: Railways Bill 2025 - proposed New Passenger Watchdog In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367804/31040/40] Posted by ChrisB at 16:30, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
I guess they could increase the compensation from that operator each time they fail to improve?
| Re: Lawrence Hill rail station to become step free with new lift In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367803/30929/21] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:03, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
No. There is so much easy pedestrian access to the station - for example, from the supermarket car park - that it would be completely impractical.
| Re: Paddington to Bristol <-> service updates and amendments - ongoing discussion In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [367802/18525/10] Posted by matth1j at 15:47, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
Just noticed that National Rail is reporting the 15:30 Bristol - Paddington as 'delayed by animals on the railway', expected departure 15:43.
And they have some case examples
Case 1: overcrowded and delayed trains
Imagine you’re a passenger on a local commuter rail line, run by GBR, and your trains are often overcrowded, delayed, or cancelled. The issue has persisted for several weeks with no sign of improvement.
[snip]
In addition, if changes are not happening quickly enough or if issues are happening across multiple operators, the watchdog can put public pressure on operators by publicly naming and shaming poorly performing operators to make them more accountable for their performance.
Imagine you’re a passenger on a local commuter rail line, run by GBR, and your trains are often overcrowded, delayed, or cancelled. The issue has persisted for several weeks with no sign of improvement.
[snip]
In addition, if changes are not happening quickly enough or if issues are happening across multiple operators, the watchdog can put public pressure on operators by publicly naming and shaming poorly performing operators to make them more accountable for their performance.
I'm not impressed ... we have a disasterous cancellation record here on my local line and the issue has persisted for many months - not just weeks. We have asked for improvements and publicly named and shamed the operator - it's First Group trading as Great Western, but they seem to have no shame and continue the poor performance ... nothing will change??
| Re: Railways Bill 2025 - proposed New Passenger Watchdog In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367800/31040/40] Posted by grahame at 15:39, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
And they have some case examples
Case 1: overcrowded and delayed trains
Imagine you’re a passenger on a local commuter rail line, run by GBR, and your trains are often overcrowded, delayed, or cancelled. The issue has persisted for several weeks with no sign of improvement.
What you can do:
If direct complaints to GBR do not improve things, you can make a complaint about individual cases of delays, cancellations and overcrowding to the watchdog via the dispute resolution service it provides through the Rail Ombudsman. Persistent and repeated issues such as this one will be picked up for further investigation.
What the passenger watchdog can then do:
The watchdog will draw on its user data surveys and operational performance data to investigate the issue.
It can request further information from GBR to a clear deadline to understand the underlying reasons for the repeated service issues.
It can then require GBR to formally set out the steps it plans to take to correct the issue.
If GBR is not meeting minimum standards, the watchdog can refer the matter to the regulator for possible enforcement.
Likewise, if GBR does not cooperate with the investigation, the watchdog can refer the case to the regulator for further investigation and enforcement action, if needed.
In addition, if changes are not happening quickly enough or if issues are happening across multiple operators, the watchdog can put public pressure on operators by publicly naming and shaming poorly performing operators to make them more accountable for their performance.
Case 2: assistance failure
Imagine you have booked assistance at a rail station a week before your planned trip, but when you arrived, there were no staff available to help you board the train. Due to this, your journey is delayed, and you miss a vital appointment. This is not the first time assistance at the station has not been provided in a timely manner. You contact GBR but do not receive a satisfactory resolution to the complaint.
What you can do:
Escalate your individual complaint to the watchdog via the dispute resolution service it provides through the Rail Ombudsman.
If the issue is recurring, the watchdog will investigate it as a wider systemic issue.
What the passenger watchdog can do:
It can review and investigate the individual case and offer a solution which could include compensation to you via the dispute resolution service it provides through the Rail Ombudsman. Decisions are binding on rail service providers.
Rather than just focusing on the individual case, the watchdog will have an overview of all complaints and can detect trends. In this case, if the watchdog observes similar repeated assistance issues in an area, it can investigate the causes – including asking GBR to provide further information.
It can work with GBR to find ways to address the issue, and, if necessary, require it to formally set out actions on how it plans to address it. It can also look to prevent future problems by sharing best practice across the network.
The watchdog can also confirm whether the operator is complying with their accessible travel policy (ATP) – which each operator is required to have – and review the ATP guidance it sets for operators to follow if necessary. It could decide that a new minimum standard is needed, or that current minimum standards in operator licences need strengthening and recommend this to the Secretary of State for Transport and the ORR for action.
Cases of consistent non-compliance, which do not lead to improvement despite engagement can be referred to the regulator for further investigation and potential enforcement action.
Case 3: fine for travelling without a valid ticket
Imagine you buy an advance ticket for a train departing at 15:12 to Manchester Piccadilly. Around 5 minutes before the scheduled departure, a train heading to Manchester Piccadilly pulls into the platform and you board the train. When a ticket inspector comes, you are issued a fine for £100 plus the fare for travelling without a valid ticket.
You contact the appeals body listed on the notice to appeal the fine and explain you believed you had boarded the correct train as it was going to the same station from the same platform. You made an honest mistake.
What you can do:
In the first instance, you can appeal the fine. If your appeal is unsuccessful, you can contact GBR and/or the watchdog.
What the passenger watchdog can do:
In individual cases of honest mistakes, the watchdog can step in to support you and help to resolve the issue with an operator.
It can investigate an individual case once it is made aware and engage with the operator to find a fair resolution.
While it cannot force any changes, it can rely on its industry knowledge and influence to achieve better outcomes. For example, upon investigating, it may discover that there was a mitigating circumstance, such as a disruption, or the station information was unclear. This means it could achieve better outcomes, such as waiving or refunding fines.
As a statutory advisor to the government and GBR, the watchdog will also be able to ensure issues like these are considered upstream when policies are being developed and advocate for clearer policies and the better handling of situations of honest mistakes. It will use complaints data and customer research to shine a light on the impact confusing policies and procedures have on passengers and encourage action, making the problem less likely to happen in the first place.
Imagine you’re a passenger on a local commuter rail line, run by GBR, and your trains are often overcrowded, delayed, or cancelled. The issue has persisted for several weeks with no sign of improvement.
What you can do:
If direct complaints to GBR do not improve things, you can make a complaint about individual cases of delays, cancellations and overcrowding to the watchdog via the dispute resolution service it provides through the Rail Ombudsman. Persistent and repeated issues such as this one will be picked up for further investigation.
What the passenger watchdog can then do:
The watchdog will draw on its user data surveys and operational performance data to investigate the issue.
It can request further information from GBR to a clear deadline to understand the underlying reasons for the repeated service issues.
It can then require GBR to formally set out the steps it plans to take to correct the issue.
If GBR is not meeting minimum standards, the watchdog can refer the matter to the regulator for possible enforcement.
Likewise, if GBR does not cooperate with the investigation, the watchdog can refer the case to the regulator for further investigation and enforcement action, if needed.
In addition, if changes are not happening quickly enough or if issues are happening across multiple operators, the watchdog can put public pressure on operators by publicly naming and shaming poorly performing operators to make them more accountable for their performance.
Case 2: assistance failure
Imagine you have booked assistance at a rail station a week before your planned trip, but when you arrived, there were no staff available to help you board the train. Due to this, your journey is delayed, and you miss a vital appointment. This is not the first time assistance at the station has not been provided in a timely manner. You contact GBR but do not receive a satisfactory resolution to the complaint.
What you can do:
Escalate your individual complaint to the watchdog via the dispute resolution service it provides through the Rail Ombudsman.
If the issue is recurring, the watchdog will investigate it as a wider systemic issue.
What the passenger watchdog can do:
It can review and investigate the individual case and offer a solution which could include compensation to you via the dispute resolution service it provides through the Rail Ombudsman. Decisions are binding on rail service providers.
Rather than just focusing on the individual case, the watchdog will have an overview of all complaints and can detect trends. In this case, if the watchdog observes similar repeated assistance issues in an area, it can investigate the causes – including asking GBR to provide further information.
It can work with GBR to find ways to address the issue, and, if necessary, require it to formally set out actions on how it plans to address it. It can also look to prevent future problems by sharing best practice across the network.
The watchdog can also confirm whether the operator is complying with their accessible travel policy (ATP) – which each operator is required to have – and review the ATP guidance it sets for operators to follow if necessary. It could decide that a new minimum standard is needed, or that current minimum standards in operator licences need strengthening and recommend this to the Secretary of State for Transport and the ORR for action.
Cases of consistent non-compliance, which do not lead to improvement despite engagement can be referred to the regulator for further investigation and potential enforcement action.
Case 3: fine for travelling without a valid ticket
Imagine you buy an advance ticket for a train departing at 15:12 to Manchester Piccadilly. Around 5 minutes before the scheduled departure, a train heading to Manchester Piccadilly pulls into the platform and you board the train. When a ticket inspector comes, you are issued a fine for £100 plus the fare for travelling without a valid ticket.
You contact the appeals body listed on the notice to appeal the fine and explain you believed you had boarded the correct train as it was going to the same station from the same platform. You made an honest mistake.
What you can do:
In the first instance, you can appeal the fine. If your appeal is unsuccessful, you can contact GBR and/or the watchdog.
What the passenger watchdog can do:
In individual cases of honest mistakes, the watchdog can step in to support you and help to resolve the issue with an operator.
It can investigate an individual case once it is made aware and engage with the operator to find a fair resolution.
While it cannot force any changes, it can rely on its industry knowledge and influence to achieve better outcomes. For example, upon investigating, it may discover that there was a mitigating circumstance, such as a disruption, or the station information was unclear. This means it could achieve better outcomes, such as waiving or refunding fines.
As a statutory advisor to the government and GBR, the watchdog will also be able to ensure issues like these are considered upstream when policies are being developed and advocate for clearer policies and the better handling of situations of honest mistakes. It will use complaints data and customer research to shine a light on the impact confusing policies and procedures have on passengers and encourage action, making the problem less likely to happen in the first place.
| Railways Bill 2025 - proposed New Passenger Watchdog In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [367799/31040/40] Posted by grahame at 15:36, 5th November 2025 | ![]() |
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/railways-bill/railways-bill-the-passenger-watchdog
It is worth quoting far more than I usual here ... and open for comments ;-)
Policy paper
Railways Bill: the passenger watchdog
Published 5 November 2025
The Railways Bill will give passengers a powerful new voice in the railway, with a passenger watchdog responsible for setting tough standards, taking action to drive improvements where these are not met, investigating repeated issues with passenger experience and ensuring there is a clear route for passengers to resolve disputes.
It will advocate for all passengers’ interests, offer advice and independently monitor passenger experience, holding operators to account and reporting on its findings publicly and transparently. This means passengers will have an independent voice fighting their corner, placing them back at the heart of our railways once again.
And Great British Railways (GBR) will be required to work closely with the watchdog – including involving them in planning passenger services, When the watchdog raises issues on behalf of passengers, GBR will listen and take action.
How will the watchdog be created?
The passenger watchdog will be grown out of the existing passenger body, Transport Focus, which will be given new, significantly stronger powers to become a more effective passenger champion. Doing it this way will enable a quick, seamless set-up and ensure the watchdog has the right capabilities and a passenger-focused culture from day one. The new watchdog will continue Transport Focus’ existing roles as a watchdog for buses, trams, coaches and England’s motorways and major A-roads.
What will the watchdog do?
The Railways Bill sets out several functions for the watchdog:
Advocacy and advice
The watchdog will ensure passengers’ needs and interests are prioritised by advocating to government and GBR. The government and GBR will have to consult the watchdog when developing their policies, strategies and priorities for the railway – including when GBR is developing its business plan and passenger offer – and GBR must listen to and should act on the watchdog’s advice. Other rail bodies, for example, the sector regulator, the Office of Rail and Road (ORR), or regional operators like Scotrail can also approach the watchdog for advice, which it will be required to provide.
Research and investigations
The watchdog will be able to demand information from train operators (including GBR, devolved and open access operators) to a set deadline – and if they fail to provide the information, the watchdog will refer operators to the regulator (ORR). This will ensure it gets the necessary information to investigate issues that matter most to passengers.
It will also become a central hub for authoritative research on the passenger experience. Findings from research and investigations will be published – shining a light on areas for improvement across the railways, as well as best practice.
Alternative dispute resolution
The watchdog will provide an independent dispute resolution service for unresolved passenger complaints, so that passengers have support if they are unable to resolve issues they experience directly with GBR and other operators.
To ensure this service has the right expertise and independence, it will continue to be provided by the Rail Ombudsman and run separately to the watchdog’s other functions. However, it will be integrated with the watchdog through it having oversight of the service. The watchdog will ensure it is fit for purpose and use the intelligence from complaints made through it to identify thematic issues and areas for improvement. The watchdog will follow up on these issues using its other powers.
Accessibility
The bill places an explicit duty on the watchdog to consider the interests and needs of disabled passengers. The watchdog will use its research and investigation powers to monitor how services are delivered to disabled passengers and to understand their experience of the network. It can use its research and investigation powers, and its real-time complaints data to identify specific pain points or best practice and use this to engage with GBR and other operators to push forward improvements. The watchdog’s role in setting minimum standards can also help drive improvements. For more information on accessibility in the Railways Bill, see the accompanying accessibility factsheet.
Setting and monitoring minimum standards
The watchdog will have the power to set standards in key areas that affect passenger experience. The standards must be agreed by ministers and the ORR to ensure they are viable – meaning, for example, that they don’t come with prohibitive costs – and operators, including GBR, will have to comply with them.
The standards will cover things like:
how travel information should be provided to passengers so that they can plan their journey, including when there is disruption
how to handle complaints
how delay compensation should be offered
requiring operators to make services accessible to disabled passengers and those that need assistance; and ensuring passenger assistance is consistently offered, whether pre-booked or requested at the station
The watchdog will monitor how operators meet the standards and will be able to demand improvement plans where they are not doing so. If this does not lead to improvement or in cases of persistent and/or serious non-compliance, it can refer operators to the regulator for enforcement action.
Multi-modal functions
Since the watchdog is being established from Transport Focus, it will continue to carry out its current multi-modal functions (covering bus, coach, tram and users of motorways and major A roads). However, the new powers and duties the Railways Bill will place on it will only apply to rail services. The long-term vision is to expand the watchdog’s full functions to other modes of public transport (such as buses and trams) so it can truly become a ‘one-stop shop’ for all passengers.
Geographical coverage
The passenger watchdog will monitor all rail services in Great Britain except for the services operating within the London railway area, and Eurostar services. These services are currently covered by London TravelWatch (LTW) which will continue its role. To ensure LTW is aligned with the passenger watchdog, it will also be given strengthened investigatory and information gathering powers.
Transport Focus and LTW currently work closely together already, and we expect this cooperation to continue.
What benefits will the passenger see?
The watchdog will speak with authority, work with government and operators to prioritise passengers, and ensure persistent issues are investigated, raised with operators and government, and addressed.
By carrying out the functions above, the watchdog will be uniquely empowered to understand where GBR and other passenger rail operators are falling short in providing the service passengers rightly expect, and ensure remedial action is taken.
Railways Bill: the passenger watchdog
Published 5 November 2025
The Railways Bill will give passengers a powerful new voice in the railway, with a passenger watchdog responsible for setting tough standards, taking action to drive improvements where these are not met, investigating repeated issues with passenger experience and ensuring there is a clear route for passengers to resolve disputes.
It will advocate for all passengers’ interests, offer advice and independently monitor passenger experience, holding operators to account and reporting on its findings publicly and transparently. This means passengers will have an independent voice fighting their corner, placing them back at the heart of our railways once again.
And Great British Railways (GBR) will be required to work closely with the watchdog – including involving them in planning passenger services, When the watchdog raises issues on behalf of passengers, GBR will listen and take action.
How will the watchdog be created?
The passenger watchdog will be grown out of the existing passenger body, Transport Focus, which will be given new, significantly stronger powers to become a more effective passenger champion. Doing it this way will enable a quick, seamless set-up and ensure the watchdog has the right capabilities and a passenger-focused culture from day one. The new watchdog will continue Transport Focus’ existing roles as a watchdog for buses, trams, coaches and England’s motorways and major A-roads.
What will the watchdog do?
The Railways Bill sets out several functions for the watchdog:
Advocacy and advice
The watchdog will ensure passengers’ needs and interests are prioritised by advocating to government and GBR. The government and GBR will have to consult the watchdog when developing their policies, strategies and priorities for the railway – including when GBR is developing its business plan and passenger offer – and GBR must listen to and should act on the watchdog’s advice. Other rail bodies, for example, the sector regulator, the Office of Rail and Road (ORR), or regional operators like Scotrail can also approach the watchdog for advice, which it will be required to provide.
Research and investigations
The watchdog will be able to demand information from train operators (including GBR, devolved and open access operators) to a set deadline – and if they fail to provide the information, the watchdog will refer operators to the regulator (ORR). This will ensure it gets the necessary information to investigate issues that matter most to passengers.
It will also become a central hub for authoritative research on the passenger experience. Findings from research and investigations will be published – shining a light on areas for improvement across the railways, as well as best practice.
Alternative dispute resolution
The watchdog will provide an independent dispute resolution service for unresolved passenger complaints, so that passengers have support if they are unable to resolve issues they experience directly with GBR and other operators.
To ensure this service has the right expertise and independence, it will continue to be provided by the Rail Ombudsman and run separately to the watchdog’s other functions. However, it will be integrated with the watchdog through it having oversight of the service. The watchdog will ensure it is fit for purpose and use the intelligence from complaints made through it to identify thematic issues and areas for improvement. The watchdog will follow up on these issues using its other powers.
Accessibility
The bill places an explicit duty on the watchdog to consider the interests and needs of disabled passengers. The watchdog will use its research and investigation powers to monitor how services are delivered to disabled passengers and to understand their experience of the network. It can use its research and investigation powers, and its real-time complaints data to identify specific pain points or best practice and use this to engage with GBR and other operators to push forward improvements. The watchdog’s role in setting minimum standards can also help drive improvements. For more information on accessibility in the Railways Bill, see the accompanying accessibility factsheet.
Setting and monitoring minimum standards
The watchdog will have the power to set standards in key areas that affect passenger experience. The standards must be agreed by ministers and the ORR to ensure they are viable – meaning, for example, that they don’t come with prohibitive costs – and operators, including GBR, will have to comply with them.
The standards will cover things like:
how travel information should be provided to passengers so that they can plan their journey, including when there is disruption
how to handle complaints
how delay compensation should be offered
requiring operators to make services accessible to disabled passengers and those that need assistance; and ensuring passenger assistance is consistently offered, whether pre-booked or requested at the station
The watchdog will monitor how operators meet the standards and will be able to demand improvement plans where they are not doing so. If this does not lead to improvement or in cases of persistent and/or serious non-compliance, it can refer operators to the regulator for enforcement action.
Multi-modal functions
Since the watchdog is being established from Transport Focus, it will continue to carry out its current multi-modal functions (covering bus, coach, tram and users of motorways and major A roads). However, the new powers and duties the Railways Bill will place on it will only apply to rail services. The long-term vision is to expand the watchdog’s full functions to other modes of public transport (such as buses and trams) so it can truly become a ‘one-stop shop’ for all passengers.
Geographical coverage
The passenger watchdog will monitor all rail services in Great Britain except for the services operating within the London railway area, and Eurostar services. These services are currently covered by London TravelWatch (LTW) which will continue its role. To ensure LTW is aligned with the passenger watchdog, it will also be given strengthened investigatory and information gathering powers.
Transport Focus and LTW currently work closely together already, and we expect this cooperation to continue.
What benefits will the passenger see?
The watchdog will speak with authority, work with government and operators to prioritise passengers, and ensure persistent issues are investigated, raised with operators and government, and addressed.
By carrying out the functions above, the watchdog will be uniquely empowered to understand where GBR and other passenger rail operators are falling short in providing the service passengers rightly expect, and ensure remedial action is taken.
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